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		<description>P&amp;#38;R just published J. van Genderen &amp;#38; W. H. Velema&amp;#8217;s Concise Reformed Dogmatics, which the publisher describes as &amp;#8220;a crystallization of the best confessionally Reformed Dutch thought in a single, manageable English-language volume.&amp;#8221; The translation is the merger of Gerrit Bilkes&amp;#8217;s and Ed M. van der Maas&amp;#8217;s separate English translations of the original 1992 Dutch [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/6004/nm/Concise_Reformed_Dogmatics_Hardcover_" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/6004/nm/Concise_Reformed_Dogmatics_Hardcover_');" ><img title="Concise Reformed Dogmatics" src="http://philgons.com/wp-content/uploads/concise-reformed-dogmatics.png" alt="Concise Reformed Dogmatics" align="right" /></a>P&amp;R just published J. van Genderen &amp; W. H. Velema&#8217;s <a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/6004/nm/Concise_Reformed_Dogmatics_Hardcover_" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/6004/nm/Concise_Reformed_Dogmatics_Hardcover_');" class="liexternal"><em>Concise Reformed Dogmatics</em></a>, which the publisher describes as &#8220;a crystallization of the best confessionally Reformed Dutch thought in a single, manageable English-language volume.&#8221; The translation is the merger of Gerrit Bilkes&#8217;s and Ed M. van der Maas&#8217;s separate English translations of the original 1992 Dutch edition, <em>Beknopte Gereformeerde dogmatiek</em>.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">It is the product of a multistep process of comparing the two translations and combining their strengths. With an eye for clarity and theological integrity, a team of readers—including W. H. Velema, the lone surviving author, together with Lawrence W. Bilkes and Gerald M. Bilkes—checked the entire work.</p>
<p>One might be tempted to question if this nearly 1,000-page tome rightly bears the descriptor <em>concise</em>. Compared to many systematic theology books, 1,000 pages is by no means brief, but held to the standard of other Dutch works like those of Bavinck (3,024 pp.), Kuyper (3,486 pp.), and Vos (≈1,900 pp.), it is definitely on the smaller side.</p>
<p>This volume is composed of 15 chapters covering the following topics:</p>
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<li>Introduction . . . 1</li>
<li>Revelation . . . 20</li>
<li>Holy Scripture . . . 58</li>
<li>Concerning God . . . 117</li>
<li>God’s Counsel . . . 193</li>
<li>God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth . . . 246</li>
<li>God’s Providence . . . 283</li>
<li>Man as the Image of God . . . 314</li>
<li>Sin . . . 385</li>
<li>Christ, the Mediator . . . 437</li>
<li>The Covenant of Grace . . . 539</li>
<li>The Doctrine of Salvation . . . 573</li>
<li>The Church . . . 677</li>
<li>The Means of Grace . . . 753</li>
<li>Eschatology . . . 819</li>
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<p>You can read the <a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/pdf_files/9780875525778.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.wtsbooks.com/pdf_files/9780875525778.pdf');" class="lipdf">TOC, prefaces, and part of the introductory chapter</a> at the Westminster Bookstore site and a <a href="http://www.westminsterbookstore.com/?p=274" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.westminsterbookstore.com/?p=274');" class="liexternal">handful of endorsements</a> at the Westminster Bookstore Blog.</p>
<p>Another book that caught my eye recently is <a href="http://www.rts.edu/faculty/StaffDetails.aspx?id=10" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.rts.edu/faculty/StaffDetails.aspx?id=10');" class="liexternal">Douglas F. Kelly’s</a> forthcoming <em>Systematic Theology I: The God Who Is&#8212;The Holy Trinity</em>.  Karl Trueman <a href="http://www.reformation21.org/blog/2008/11/kellys-st-volume-1.php" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.reformation21.org/blog/2008/11/kellys-st-volume-1.php');" class="liexternal">shared some brief thoughts</a> on a review copy that he received. The information on this volume is scant, so I don&#8217;t know much about it beyond what Trueman shares. No mention of it on the publisher&#8217;s website. At any rate, I&#8217;m eager to take a look at it and am excited to see an entire volume in a systematic theology set devoted to the doctrine of the Trinity&#8212;especially from the evangelical camp, which has been notorious for giving insufficient attention to the doctrine.</p>
<p>HT: <a href="http://www.inlightofthegospel.org/?p=2657" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.inlightofthegospel.org/?p=2657');" class="liexternal">James Grant</a></p>
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		<description>Yesterday I stumbled across Kuyper&amp;#8217;s dogmatic theology, Dictaten dogmatiek: College-dictaat van een der studenten, on Princeton&amp;#8217;s digital online library. By the subtitle, it appears to be dictations from one of his students. I really wish I knew even enough Dutch to work through some of this with profit. Better yet, I wish I knew someone [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img title="Abraham Kuyper" src="http://philgons.com/wp-content/uploads/abraham-kuyper.png" alt="Abraham Kuyper" align="right" />Yesterday I stumbled across Kuyper&#8217;s dogmatic theology, <a href="http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDogIndex.txt" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDogIndex.txt');" class="liexternal"><em>Dictaten dogmatiek: College-dictaat van een der studenten</em></a>, on <a href="http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/');" class="liexternal">Princeton&#8217;s digital online library</a>. By the subtitle, it appears to be dictations from one of his students. I really wish I knew even enough Dutch to work through some of this with profit. Better yet, I wish I knew someone who knew Dutch and would be willing to translate his section on the Trinity for me: <a href="http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-I.xml&amp;div=12" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-I.xml&amp;div=12');" class="liexternal">Hoofdstuk I. Het Dogma de Sancta Trinitate</a>. It&#8217;s only 44 pages. Any takers?</p>
<p>Also, how about we get someone to translate the whole thing&#8212;all 3,486 pages of it&#8212;into English for print and digital publication?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s composed of four volumes:</p>
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<li><span><span><a href="http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-I.xml" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-I.xml');" class="liexternal">Locus De Deo</a> (</span></span>949 pp.<span><span>)</span></span></li>
<li><span><span><a href="http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-II.xml" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-II.xml');" class="liexternal">Locus De Sacra Scriptura, Creatione, Creaturis</a> (</span></span>774 pp.<span><span>)</span></span></li>
<li><span><span><a href="http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-III.xml" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-III.xml');" class="liexternal">Locus De Providentia, Peccato, Foedere, Christo</a> (</span></span>1,035 pp.<span><span>)</span></span></li>
<li><span><span><a href="http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-IV.xml" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=DicDog-IV.xml');" class="liexternal">Locus De Salute, Ecclesia, Sacramentis</a> (</span></span>728 pp.<span><span>)</span></span></li>
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<p>Sounds like a project for the Dutch Reformed Translation Society, <a href="http://www.bakerbooks.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.bakerbooks.com/');" class="liexternal">Baker Academic</a>, and <a href="http://www.logos.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.logos.com/');" class="liexternal">Logos Bible Software</a>, if you ask me.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m on the subject of Dutch writers&#8217; works in need of English translations, we really need to get Geerhardus Vos&#8217;s 1,900-page <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/25080593&amp;referer=brief_results" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/25080593&amp;referer=brief_results');" class="liexternal"><em>Gereformeerde dogmatiek</em></a> (sometimes referred to simply as <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9352738&amp;referer=brief_results" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9352738&amp;referer=brief_results');" class="liexternal"><em>Dogmatiek</em></a>) translated as well! I didn&#8217;t even know he had written one until Vos scholar extraordinaire Jim Dennison told me about it.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> On the subject of the Dutch Reformed Translation Society, it looks like they might have their hands full for a while. They are <a href="http://rester.us/HistoricalTheoBlogy/?p=68" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://rester.us/HistoricalTheoBlogy/?p=68');" class="liexternal">working on</a> Petrus van Mastricht’s massive <em>Theoretico-Practica Theologia</em>.</p>
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		<description>About two months ago, I happened to catch a Zondervan blog post that mentioned that they were giving away 20 review copies of Constantine Campbell&amp;#8217;s Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek. I enjoy studying Greek, needed to learn more about the verbal aspect theory, and like free books, so I sent off my email [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/031029083X/?tag=philgonscom-20" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.amazon.com/dp/031029083X/?tag=philgonscom-20');" ><img src="http://philgons.com/wp-content/uploads/basics-of-verbal-aspect-in-biblical-greek.png" alt="" align="right" /></a>About two months ago, I happened to catch a Zondervan blog post that mentioned that they were <a href="http://zondervan.typepad.com/koinonia/2008/09/one-fall-releas.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://zondervan.typepad.com/koinonia/2008/09/one-fall-releas.html');" class="liexternal">giving away 20 review copies</a> of <a href="http://www.concampbell.net/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.concampbell.net/');" class="liexternal">Constantine Campbell&#8217;s</a> <a href="http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Product/ProductDetail.htm?ProdID=com.zondervan.9780310290834&amp;QueryStringSite=Zondervan" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Product/ProductDetail.htm?ProdID=com.zondervan.9780310290834&amp;QueryStringSite=Zondervan');" class="liexternal"><em>Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek</em></a>. I enjoy studying Greek, needed to learn more about the verbal aspect theory, and like free books, so I sent off my email and managed to snag a copy.</p>
<p>I got a friendly email yesterday reminding me that I still needed to write my review and mentioning the <a href="http://zondervan.typepad.com/koinonia/2008/11/verbal-aspect-in-biblical-greek---series-of-posts-1110---1114-by-constantine-campbell.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://zondervan.typepad.com/koinonia/2008/11/verbal-aspect-in-biblical-greek---series-of-posts-1110---1114-by-constantine-campbell.html');" class="liexternal">week-long series of blog posts on verbal aspect</a> from the book&#8217;s author next week at the Zondervan Koinonia blog. It appears that I&#8217;m not alone as I&#8217;ve seen several other reviews coming out today.</p>
<p>Though I had 11 semesters of Greek classes in college and seminary and taught elementary and intermediate Greek for six semesters, my exposure to the verbal aspect theory has been rather limited. In fact, I don&#8217;t recall its ever being mentioned in any of my Greek courses with the one exception of the 15- or 20-minute overview in Advanced Greek Grammar. But by that time, I had already done some reading on my own, first prompted by a question from one of my first-year Greek students (he had a friend from another school whose teacher was a proponent of the verbal aspect theory) and then by my preparing to teach tense uses to my fourth semester students. But the extent of my reading was the section in Wallace&#8217;s <em>Grammar</em>, <a href="libronixdls:jump|pos=LLS-AOL%3A2340%3CDIV510%3E.0.0|ref=page.504|res=LLS%3A46.20.1026" class="">&#8220;An Assessment of Time in Verb Tenses,&#8221;</a> and a smattering of articles and papers that I found online. I have since read and would recommend an article written by my friend Andy Naselli, &#8220;A Brief Introduction to Verbal Aspect Theory in New Testament Greek.&#8221;</p>
<p>All this to say that I was excited to have an opportunity to dig a little bit deeper.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zondervan.com/media/samples/pdf/031029083x_samptxt.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.zondervan.com/media/samples/pdf/031029083x_samptxt.pdf');" class="lipdf"><strong>Contents</strong></a></p>
<p><em>Verbal Aspect Theory</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">1. What is Verbal Aspect?<br />
2. The History of Verbal Aspect<br />
3. Perfective Aspect<br />
4. Imperfective Aspect<br />
5. <a href="http://www.zondervan.com/media/samples/pdf/031029083x_samptxt.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.zondervan.com/media/samples/pdf/031029083x_samptxt.pdf');" class="lipdf">The Problem of the Perfect</a></p>
<p><em>Verbal Aspect and New Testament Text</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">6. Verbal Lexeme Basics<br />
7. Present and Imperfect Tense-forms<br />
8. Aorist and Future Tense-forms<br />
9. Perfect and Pluperfect Tense-Forms<br />
10. More Participles</p>
<p><strong>Summary</strong></p>
<p><em>BVABG</em> brings a technical and controversial subject down to a level that most Greek students can understand and benefit from. It&#8217;s a fairly easy read, even for those with little to no exposure to the details of the verbal aspect debate.</p>
<p>What follows is a brief summary of Campbell&#8217;s positions on some of the main issues.</p>
<p>Aspect and <em>Aktionsart </em>are distinct and must not be confused.</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Aspect</strong> is the author&#8217;s subjective viewpoint or way of portraying action. A tense-form is always either perfective or imperfective. That never changes.</li>
<li><strong><em>Aktionsart</em></strong> refers to the various kinds of action that a verb can perform based on the semantics, the lexeme, and the context. A tense-form can have many different <em>Aktionsarten</em> as those influencing factors change.</li>
</ol>
<p>There are only two aspects&#8212;perfective and imperfective&#8212;not three (stative is not an aspect but an <em>Aktionsart</em>) or four as some have suggested.</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Perfective</strong> aspect views the action externally, as a whole, in summary. It&#8217;s like a reporter watching a parade from a helicopter.</li>
<li><strong>Imperfective</strong> aspect views an action internally, as it unfolds. It&#8217;s like a reporter watching a parade from the street.</li>
</ol>
<p>Aspect corresponds to semantics, which is contrasted with pragmatics. Pragmatics corresponds to <em>Aktionsart</em>.</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Semantics</strong> (or more properly verbal or grammatical semantics) refers to the &#8220;values that are encoded in the verbal form&#8221; (22). They are always present and uncancelable. Semantics answers the question &#8220;Who am I?&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;<strong>Pragmatics</strong> refers to the semantic values in context and in combination with other factors&#8221; (23). As such, they are changing. Pragmatics answers the question &#8220;What do I do?&#8221;</li>
</ol>
<p>This semantics&#8211;pragmatics dichotomy is what leads Campbell and others to exclude time from the tense-forms, for if the time element is changeable or cancelable (and it is), then it must be part of pragmatics and thus a part of the verbs <em>Aktionsart</em>, not a part of semantics, what the tense-form always communicates. And to say that time belongs to pragmatics is to say that the tense-forms don&#8217;t encode temporal reference.</p>
<p>As Campbell puts it,</p>
<blockquote><p>The remaining question related to the distinction, however, is this: Is temporal reference semantic or pragmatic? If temporal reference is semantic, then Greek verbs truly are tenses. A verb&#8217;s temporal reference is uncancelable and is a core part of its meaning. An aorist is a past tense and must always be a past tense.</p>
<p>But here, of course, lies a problem. We learn early on that aorist are not always past referring. Therefore, we are led to ask: Is past temporal reference a semantic value of the aorist? . . . Even though the aorist often ends up expressing past temporal reference when used in Greek texts, this is a <em>pragmatic implicature</em> rather than semantic encoding. (24)</p></blockquote>
<p>The most important players in the history of verbal aspect are Georg Curtius, K. L. McKay, Stanley Porter, Buist Fanning, Mari Broman Olsen, <a href="http://www.ntresources.com/vita.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.ntresources.com/vita.html');" class="liexternal">Rodney J. Decker</a>, T. V. Evans, and&#8212;the author himself&#8212;Constantine R. Campbell.</p>
<p>The present points of disagreement among scholars are</p>
<ol>
<li>whether time is intrinsic to the tense-forms in the indicative mood,</li>
<li>how many aspects there are, and</li>
<li>which tense-forms belongs to which aspects&#8212;a point that Campbell leaves off.</li>
</ol>
<p><em>Perfective Tense-Forms</em></p>
<p>Campbell argues that both the aorist and future tense-forms are perfective. Many have maintained that the future is aspectually vague or non-aspectual, but Campbell disagrees. In addition to being perfective, the aorist is remote, which can take the form of spatial, temporal, or logical remoteness. The future is also perfective, but, unlike all the other tense-forms, it is a true tense in that it always conveys future time, and by extension remoteness. I&#8217;m not sure why Campbell feels the need to make an exception with the future in terms of time. It seems that this is a similar move to Olsen&#8217;s when she maintains that some lexemes convey temporal reference in their semantics, but others do not. The bigger problem is the overlap between the aorist and the future. Since (1) both are perfective, (2) both are remote, and (3) both can be future, what&#8217;s the difference between them when they are both future referring. Why choose one over the other? Campbell&#8217;s attempt to differentiate between them in this case is less than satisfying.</p>
<p><em>Imperfective Tense-Forms</em></p>
<p>Since there are only two aspects in Campbell&#8217;s system, he puts the remaining tense-forums in the category of imperfective.</p>
<ol>
<li>Present is imperfective and <em>proximate</em>.</li>
<li>Imperfect is imperfective and <em>remote</em>.</li>
<li>Perfect is imperfective and <em>more proximate</em>.</li>
<li>Pluperfect is imperfective and <em>more remote</em>.</li>
</ol>
<p>Campbell defends his view based on the similar roles that the present and perfect on the one hand and the imperfect and pluperfect on the other hand play in narrative.</p>
<p>The rest of the book goes on to discuss the <em>Aktionsarten</em> of each of the tense-forms. Chapters 7&#8211;10 include examples as well as exercises, with an answer key in the back. Oddly enough, Campbell&#8217;s system results in something not too different from the tense uses that you find in Wallace&#8217;s <em>Grammar</em>. Though I do think that Campbell&#8217;s system does provide a more linguistically informed and organized approach to the Greek verbal system, I&#8217;m not yet convinced that it really changes as much as proponents seem to suggest.</p>
<p><strong>Evaluation</strong></p>
<p>As one who has not delved into the technical literature on this subject, I find Campbell&#8217;s book informative, accessible, and fairly well reasoned. It doesn&#8217;t answer all of the questions, but it certainly provides one with a nice introduction to the major players and contours of the issues involved in the verbal aspect debate. I highly recommend it to those wanting to learn more about verbal aspect.</p>
<p>Finally, one grammatical error that was missed: &#8220;Thus, the semantic values of the future indicative tense-form <span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">is</span> [are]</span> perfective aspect and future temporal reference&#8221; (39).</p>
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<p><strong>Other Reviews</strong></p>
<p>Mike Aubrey at his ἐν ἐφέσῳ: Thoughts and Meditations blog:</p>
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<li><a href="http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/the-basics-of-verbal-aspect/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/the-basics-of-verbal-aspect/');" class="liexternal">The Basics of Verbal Aspect</a></li>
<li><a href="http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/the-basics-of-verbal-aspect-a-review-part-i/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/the-basics-of-verbal-aspect-a-review-part-i/');" class="liexternal">The Basics of Verbal Aspect - A Review Part I</a></li>
<li><a href="http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/the-basics-of-verbal-aspect-a-review-part-ii/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/the-basics-of-verbal-aspect-a-review-part-ii/');" class="liexternal">The Basics of Verbal Aspect - A Review Part II</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Michael Hanel at the BibleWorks Blog:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?p=269" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?p=269');" class="liexternal">Review of Campbell’s Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek - Introduction</a></li>
<li><a href="http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?p=272" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?p=272');" class="liexternal">Review of Campbell’s Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek - Part Two</a></li>
<li><a href="http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?p=275" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?p=275');" class="liexternal">More on Campbell and Verbal Aspect</a></li>
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<p>Donald Kim at his blog:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://donaldkim.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/basics-of-verbal-aspect-in-biblical-greek-a-review/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://donaldkim.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/basics-of-verbal-aspect-in-biblical-greek-a-review/');" class="liexternal">Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek, A Review</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Matthew Malcolm at his Crypto-theology blog:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://cryptotheology.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/verbal-aspect-in-biblical-greek/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://cryptotheology.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/verbal-aspect-in-biblical-greek/');" class="liexternal">Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Andy Naselli at his blog:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://andynaselli.com/theology/con-campbells-primer-on-verbal-aspect-theory" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://andynaselli.com/theology/con-campbells-primer-on-verbal-aspect-theory');" class="liexternal">Con Campbell’s Primer on Verbal Aspect Theory</a></li>
</ul>
<p>William Varner at Amazon:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/review/product/031029083X/?tag=philgonscom-20" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.amazon.com/review/product/031029083X/?tag=philgonscom-20');" class="liamz">A Good Start, But&#8230;</a></li>
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		<title>Piper on the Election</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff. John Piper shares his heart on womanhood, race, abortion, the prophetic perspective, the sovereignty of God, and the gospel as they relate to the election.

HT: JT</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff. John Piper <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/1473_thoughts_on_voting_and_politics/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/1473_thoughts_on_voting_and_politics/');" class="liexternal">shares his heart</a> on womanhood, race, abortion, the prophetic perspective, the sovereignty of God, and the gospel as they relate to the election.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="425" height="344" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="src" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/YGjGbZNyIBY&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/YGjGbZNyIBY&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object></p>
<p>HT: <a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/10/john-pipers-heart-in-this-election.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/10/john-pipers-heart-in-this-election.html');" class="liexternal">JT</a></p>
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		<title>Get CrossOver from CodeWeavers Free—One Day Only!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CrossOver Mac is one of the several ways to run Windows applications on a Mac. The advantage that it has over Parallels Desktop, VMware Fusion, or Boot Camp is that it doesn&amp;#8217;t require a copy of Windows. The downside is that not all applications will work.
CrossOver Linux is a customized, commercial version of Wine, the [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/');" class="liexternal">CrossOver Mac</a> is one of the several ways to run Windows applications on a Mac. The advantage that it has over <a href="http://www.parallels.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.parallels.com/');" class="liexternal">Parallels Desktop</a>, <a href="http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/');" class="liexternal">VMware Fusion</a>, or <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html');" class="liexternal">Boot Camp</a> is that it doesn&#8217;t require a copy of Windows. The downside is that not all applications will work.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxlinux/');" class="liexternal">CrossOver Linux</a> is a customized, commercial version of <a href="http://www.winehq.org/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.winehq.org/');" class="liexternal">Wine</a>, the popular software that allows you to run many Windows applications on Linux (e.g., Ubuntu, et al.).</p>
<p>On October 28, 2008, the folks at CodeWeavers are making either of these <a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/products/      *  " onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.codeweavers.com/products/      *  ');" class="liexternal">products</a>&#8212;in its downloadable, professional version&#8212;free of charge for one day only (though I successfully downloaded it tonight at at 8:00 PM PST).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what they say,</p>
<blockquote><p>We are giving away all of our software for free on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008. This is a fully working, fully supported copy of either CrossOver Mac Professional, or CrossOver Linux Professional. No hooks, tricks, timebombs, or gimmicks: it&#8217;s the real deal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s how to get it:</p>
<ol>
<li>Go to <a href="http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/');" class="liexternal">http://lameduck.codeweavers.com/free/</a> and enter your email address. You&#8217;ll receive a serial number via email.</li>
<li>Go to <a href="http://register.codeweavers.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://register.codeweavers.com/');" class="liexternal">http://register.codeweavers.com/</a> and enter your serial number. You&#8217;ll receive an email with instructions on how to log in and download your software.</li>
<li>Go to <a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/account/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.codeweavers.com/account/');" class="liexternal">http://www.codeweavers.com/account/</a>, change your password, and go to <a href="https://www.codeweavers.com/account/downloads/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/https://www.codeweavers.com/account/downloads/');" class="liexternal">My Downloads</a> and download the appropriate trial version of the software.</li>
<li>Install the trial software and unlock it within the application with your email address and password to upgrade it to the full professional version.</li>
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<p>At the <a href="https://www.codeweavers.com/account/downloads/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/https://www.codeweavers.com/account/downloads/');" class="liexternal">My Downloads</a> page, you&#8217;ll read this note:</p>
<blockquote><p>Due to high demand during the Lame Duck Free Day, we have temporarily disabled the unlocked builds normally available on this page.</p>
<p>At this time we are offering downloads of our trial version available from our world wide network of mirrors. Please be aware that the trial version can be unlocked to the full version from within the software itself. So you are not missing out on any features this way.</p>
<p>Once the traffic returns to normal levels you can return to this page at anytime if you still wish to download the fully unlocked builds.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can verify that downloading the trial version and unlocking it from within the application does successfully upgrade it to the full professional version, though it took a few minutes for the registration to go through. Be patient.</p>
<p>Find out why they are giving it away and other pertinent details at <a href="http://www.tuaw.com/2008/10/27/codeweavers-says-cheap-gas-free-software-tomorrow/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.tuaw.com/2008/10/27/codeweavers-says-cheap-gas-free-software-tomorrow/');" class="liexternal">The Unofficial Apple Weblog</a> or in the official Codeweavers <a href="http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20081027/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20081027/');" class="liexternal">press release</a>.</p>
<p>HT: <a href="http://karl.kleinpaste.org/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://karl.kleinpaste.org/');" class="liexternal">Karl Kleinpaste</a></p>
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		<description>I commented briefly in the second half of this post on why I think that the McCall&amp;#8211;Yandell argument fails. (To get up to speed on what that argument is, see my two previous posts here and here.) A couple of days ago I stumbled across a quote in John Feinberg&amp;#8217;s No One Like Him that [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented briefly in the second half of <a href="http://philgons.com/2008/10/does-eternal-subordination-entail-a-denial-of-homoousion/"  class="liinternal">this post</a> on why I think that the McCall&#8211;Yandell argument fails. (To get up to speed on what that argument is, see my two previous posts <a href="http://philgons.com/2008/10/does-eternal-subordination-entail-a-denial-of-homoousion/"  class="liinternal">here</a> and <a href="http://philgons.com/2008/10/my-question-for-dr-yandell/"  class="liinternal">here</a>.) A couple of days ago I stumbled across a quote in John Feinberg&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/1581348118/?tag=philgonscom-20" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.amazon.com/dp/1581348118/?tag=philgonscom-20');" class="liamz"><em>No One Like Him</em></a> that demonstrates nicely why that argument doesn&#8217;t succeed.</p>
<p>In the last section of his chapter on the Trinity, &#8220;<a href="libronixdls:jump|pos=LLS-AOL%3A1954%3CSUB46%3E.0.0|ref=page.493|res=LLS%3ANOONELKHM" class="">Logic and the Doctrine of the Trinity</a>,&#8221; Feinberg is responding to criticisms that challenge the logical coherency of the doctrine.</p>
<p>Timothy Bartel raises an objection that parallels the McCall&#8211;Yandell argument very closely, the only difference being which properties are in view. McCall and Yandell attacked the notions of authority and submission, but if their argument is applied consistently, it would have to encompass <em>any</em> properties that the three don&#8217;t share in common.</p>
<p>Feinberg summarizes the objection like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The church, as we noted, said that the Father is ungenerate and that he begets the Son. The Son’s property is being eternally begotten by the Father, and the Holy Spirit’s property is his procession from the Father (or Father and Son). Given these respective properties, . . . we seem to have a problem, according to Bartel, for we can now write an argument like the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>God the Son is eternally begotten of the Father <em>qua</em> divine.<br />
God the Father is not eternally begotten of the Father <em>qua</em> divine;<br />
Therefore, God the Son is not the same deity as God the Father.﻿ (<a href="libronixdls:jump|pos=LLS-AOL%3A1956%3CP...494%3E.2186.0|ref=page.494|res=LLS%3ANOONELKHM" class="">494</a>)</p></blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>Those familiar with the McCall&#8211;Yandell argument will immediately see the similarities. If one of the persons has a property that at least one of the others lacks, then they don&#8217;t have the same divine nature and Arianism is the result. It sounds logical on the surface, but Feinberg explains why it fails:</p>
<blockquote><p>This may seem to be an insuperable dilemma, but Bartel thinks not, and I agree. . . . The reason is that being eternally begotten and eternally proceeding are not properties the Son and Spirit have in virtue of being divine, but in virtue of being distinct subsistences of that divine essence. Hence, the premises of the above should read “<em>qua</em> subsistence or person,” and the conclusion should say, “Therefore, God the Son is not the same person or subsistence as God the Father.” (<a href="libronixdls:jump|pos=LLS-AOL%3A1957%3CP...495%3E.0.0|ref=page.494|res=LLS%3ANOONELKHM" class="">494&#8211;95</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>I think Feinberg&#8217;s analysis highlights perfectly why the McCall&#8211;Yandell argument just won&#8217;t work. It wrongly tries to draw a conclusion about the one shared divine nature when the properties under discussion belong to the persons <em>qua</em> persons, not to the persons <em>qua</em> divine.</p>
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		<title>New Edition of the ESV with the Apocrypha</title>
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		<description>A friend of mine pointed out to me that Oxford University Press is publishing an new edition of the ESV which includes the Apocrypha. The expected release date is December 31, 2008.
Here&amp;#8217;s a selection from the publisher&amp;#8217;s description:
This Bible [the ESV] has been growing in popularity among students in biblical studies, mainline Christian scholars and [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0195289102/?tag=philgonscom-20" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.amazon.com/dp/0195289102/?tag=philgonscom-20');" ><img title="ESV with Apocrypha" src="http://philgons.com/wp-content/uploads/esv-with-apocrypha.png" alt="ESV with Apocrypha" width="160" height="227" align="right" /></a>A friend of mine pointed out to me that Oxford University Press is publishing an new edition of the ESV which includes the Apocrypha. The expected release date is December 31, 2008.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a selection from the publisher&#8217;s description:</p>
<blockquote><p>This Bible [the ESV] has been growing in popularity among students in biblical studies, mainline Christian scholars and clergy, and Evangelical Christians of all denominations.</p>
<p>Along with that growth comes the need for the books of the Apocrypha to be included in ESV Bibles, both for denominations that use those books in liturgical readings and for students who need them for historical purposes. More Evangelicals are also beginning to be interested in the Apocrypha, even though they don&#8217;t consider it God&#8217;s Word. <em>The English Standard Version Bible with the Apocrypha</em>, for which the Apocrypha has been commissioned by Oxford University Press, employs the same methods and guidelines used by the original translators of the ESV, to produce for the first time an ESV Apocrypha. This will be the only ESV with Apocrypha available anywhere, and it includes all of the books and parts of books in the Protestant Apocrypha, the Catholic Old Testament, and the Old Testament as used in Orthodox Christian churches. It will have a lovely pre-printed case binding, and will include a full-color map section, a table of weights and measures used in the Bible, and many other attractive features.</p></blockquote>
<p>More info here:</p>
<ul>
<li>Bible Design and Binding has the news: <a href="http://www.bibledesignblog.com/2008/10/oxfords-esv-wit.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.bibledesignblog.com/2008/10/oxfords-esv-wit.html');" class="liexternal">Oxford&#8217;s ESV with Apocrypha</a>.</li>
<li>Here&#8217;s the listing on Oxford&#8217;s site: <a href="http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Bibles/TextReferenceBibles/?view=usa&amp;ci=9780195289107" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Bibles/TextReferenceBibles/?view=usa&amp;ci=9780195289107');" class="liexternal">English Standard Version Bible with Apocrypha</a>.</li>
<li>Here&#8217;s the listing on Amazon: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0195289102/?tag=philgonscom-20" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.amazon.com/dp/0195289102/?tag=philgonscom-20');" class="liamz">English Standard Version Bible with Apocrypha (Hardcover)</a>.</li>
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<p>Maybe this is old news, but I don&#8217;t recall seeing anything about this in my slice of the blog world.</p>
<p>HT: Sam Bray</p>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Gons</dc:creator>
		
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		<description>In tonight&amp;#8217;s debate, McCall and Yandell tried to make the case that the eternal subordination of the Son to the Father entails a denial of homoousion.
The Argument
Here&amp;#8217;s their argument:

If the Son is eternally subordinate to the Father in all possible worlds, then the Son is necessarily subordinate to the Father.
If the Son is necessarily subordinate [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://philgons.com/2008/10/trinity-debate-live/"  class="liinternal">tonight&#8217;s debate</a>, McCall and Yandell tried to make the case that the eternal subordination of the Son to the Father entails a denial of <em>homoousion</em>.</p>
<p><strong>The Argument</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s their argument:</p>
<ol>
<li>If the Son is <em>eternally</em> subordinate to the Father in all possible worlds, then the Son is <em>necessarily</em> subordinate to the Father.</li>
<li>If the Son is <em>necessarily</em> subordinate to the Father, then the Son is <em>essentially</em> subordinate to the Father.</li>
<li>Thus, the Son, as essentially subordinate to the Father, is of a different essence or nature than the Father, which entails a denial of <em>homoousion</em>.</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>My First Response</strong></p>
<p>My first line of response is to show that this argument can be equally applied to <em>any</em> eternal difference between the Father and the Son. Let&#8217;s take the Son&#8217;s property of sonship and apply their own argument to it.</p>
<ol>
<li>If the Son is <em>eternally</em> the Son and the Father is <em>eternally not</em> the Son in all possible worlds, then the Son is <em>necessarily</em> the Son and the Father is <em>necessarily not</em> the Son.</li>
<li>If the Son is <em>necessarily</em> the Son and the Father is <em>necessarily not</em> the Son, then the Son is <em>essentially</em> the Son and the Father is <em>essentially not</em> the Son.</li>
<li>Thus, the Son, as essentially the Son, and the Father, as essentially not the Son, are of a different essence or nature, which entails a denial of <em>homoousion</em>.</li>
</ol>
<p>The result of extending the argument this way is that it demonstrates&#8212;assuming the legitimacy of the argument&#8212;that there can be no eternal difference of any kind without denying <em>homoousion</em>. But Yandell himself affirmed in the debate that the Son <em>alone</em> has the property of being the Son, and the Father <em>alone</em> the property of being the Father, and the Spirit <em>alone</em> the property of being the Spirit. Yet, according to his own argument, he must deny <em>homoousion</em> because these <em>eternal</em> differences constitute <em>necessary</em> differences, which constitute <em>essential</em> differences.</p>
<p>Yandell and McCall are attempting to affirm three propositions that simply cannot stand together. Here are the three incompatible propositions:</p>
<ol>
<li>The argument is valid.</li>
<li>There are eternal differences among the three persons of the Trinity.</li>
<li>The Father and the Son are <em>homoousios</em>.</li>
</ol>
<p>If they wish to maintain their claim to rationality, they must either deny (1) the legitimacy of the argument, (2) that the Son alone has the property of being the Son, etc. (which amounts to a denial of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity), (3) the doctrine of <em>homoousion</em>, or (4) some combination of the three. At least one of these has to go. All three cannot coexist.</p>
<p><strong>My Second Response</strong></p>
<p>My second line of response to this argument is to show that it confuses categories&#8212;just like <a href="http://philgons.com/tag/kevin-giles/"  class="liinternal">Kevin Giles</a> does in his unhelpful books on the subject.</p>
<p>Assuming for a moment that we should not deny that there are some eternal differences among the three persons of the Trinity, which, again, even Yandell acknowledged when he said that the Son alone has the property of being the Son, there must be some way to account for these differences without abandoning <em>homoousion</em>. I make this claim on the basis that Scripture seems to teach both.</p>
<p>First, it is important to point out that McCall and Yandell seem to be using only two categories: essence and function; while Grudem and Ware use three: essence, person, and function. Thus what Grudem and Ware mean by essence and person end up getting merged together into McCall and Yandell&#8217;s single category of essence.</p>
<p>In the two-category system, we need a place to put personal properties like fatherhood, sonship, and &#8220;spiritness.&#8221; Do they belong to essence or function? I doubt anyone would want to maintain that sonship is simply something the Son <em>does</em> and not something that He <em>possesses</em> or <em>is</em>. But does sonship belong to the one divine essence? No. If it did, then all three persons would be the Son, since they all share equally the one divine essence. So where do we put it? We must, in a two-category system, differentiate between the one divine essence shared equally by all three persons and their own individual essences that constitute what each person holds uniquely. This double use of the term <em>essence</em> is what seems to cause confusion for so many, so this might not be the best set of terms to use.</p>
<p>The important thing to note, though, is that this necessary distinction allows part of their conclusion&#8212;with a minor modification&#8212;(i.e., &#8220;the Son, as essentially the Son, and the Father, as essentially not the Son, are of <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">a different essence</span> different essences&#8221;) to be affirmed without denying <em>homoousion</em>, because it is the individual essences, not the shared essence, that the conclusion necessarily has in view (i.e., since the major and minor premises concern not what they share, but what they hold uniquely).</p>
<p>In the three-category system, the term <em>essence</em> is reserved for the one shared divine nature, while the term <em>person</em> is used for those properties that belong uniquely to each. So fatherhood, sonship, and &#8220;spiritness&#8221; would not belong to the one divine essence, but to the category of person. This approach has the advantage of using separate terms and avoiding confusion introduced by the two-category system, but it&#8217;s not without its challenges.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter to me what we call the category that accounts for their differences. The fact is that there must be such a category or we are forced to abandon rationality or deny clear biblical teaching.</p>
<p>Regardless of which system we go with (perhaps there&#8217;s a better option?), we must account for what the three share in common and what they hold uniquely, even if we do have to struggle to find the right terms. My main point is this: if the persons of the Trinity can equally share the one divine essence without obliterating their differences of being Father, Son, and Spirit, then we at least have a way to conceive of how they can equally share the one divine essence without obliterating their differences of authority and submission.</p>
<p>In the next post, I&#8217;ll respond to the second argument concerning the Father&#8217;s supposed inability to become incarnate.</p>
<p>See these previous posts of mine for the context of this post (most recent on top):</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="../2008/10/my-question-for-dr-yandell/" class="liinternal">My Question for Dr. Yandell</a></li>
<li><a href="../2008/10/trinity-debate-live/" class="liinternal">Trinity Debate—Live</a></li>
<li><a href="../2008/08/ware-grudem-vs-mccall-yandell-on-the-trinity/" class="liinternal">Ware–Grudem vs. McCall–Yandell on the Trinity</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Update 1:</strong> For clarification, I added &#8220;in all possible worlds&#8221; to the first premise of the argument. I was assuming it all along, but should have stated it explicitly to represent the argument most faithfully and avoid misunderstanding.</p>
<p><strong>Update 2:</strong> Replaced my misuse of <em>homoousian</em>, which typically refers to someone who believes in <em>homoousion</em>, with the more appropriate <em>homoousion</em>.</p>
<p><strong>Update 3:</strong> The discussion has <a href="http://conqueringthirst.com/?p=17" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://conqueringthirst.com/?p=17');" class="liexternal">continued</a> over on James Gordon&#8217;s blog, Conquering Thirst.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Gons</dc:creator>
		
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		<description>My good friend Andy Naselli is sitting on the front row watching and live blogging the debate. He asked me if I wanted to ask a question, so I sent this:
If the Son is necessarily the Son and the Father is necessarily not the Son, then the Son is essentially the Son and the Father is [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My good friend <a href="http://www.andynaselli.com/about" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.andynaselli.com/about');" class="liexternal">Andy Naselli</a> is sitting on the front row watching and <a href="http://www.henrycenter.org/blog/?p=36" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.henrycenter.org/blog/?p=36');" class="liexternal">live blogging</a> the debate. He asked me if I wanted to ask a question, so I sent this:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the Son is <em>necessarily</em> the Son and the Father is <em>necessarily not</em> the Son, then the Son is <em>essentially</em> the Son and the Father is <em>essentially not</em> the Son. Thus the Son is <em>essentially</em> different from the Father. Must you not deny <em>homoousion</em> on the basis of your own premises?</p></blockquote>
<p>This parallels the central argument that Drs. Yandell and McCall were making&#8212;and shows its weakness:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the Son is <em>necessarily</em> subordinate to the Father, then the Son is <em>essentially</em> subordinate to the Father. Thus, the Son is <em>essentially</em> different from the Father, which entails a denial of <em>homoousion</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, Dr. Yandell didn&#8217;t understand the question. But it is one that needs to be addressed.</p>
<p>Neither he nor Tom shows how their position&#8212;on their own premises&#8212;can account for <em>any necessary differences</em> without denying <em>homoousion</em>, because, they argue, all <em>necessary</em> differences are <em>essential</em> differences.</p>
<p>They are left with three choices:</p>
<ol>
<li>Deny <em>homoousion</em>.</li>
<li>Deny that there are any necessary differences among Father, Son, and Spirit.</li>
<li>Withdraw their argument.</li>
</ol>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest #3, but they must choose at least one.</p>
<p><strong>Update 1:</strong> Nick <a href="http://rdtwot.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/trinity-debate-afterthoughts/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://rdtwot.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/trinity-debate-afterthoughts/');" class="liexternal">understands</a> the force of my question.</p>
<p><strong>Update 2:</strong> I develop the argument more thoroughly in my next post: <a href="../2008/10/does-eternal-subordination-entail-a-denial-of-homoousian/" title="Permanent Link to &quot;Does Eternal Subordination Entail a Denial of Homoousian?&quot;" rel="bookmark" class="liinternal">Does Eternal Subordination Entail a Denial of Homoousion?</a></p>
<p><strong>Update 3:</strong> Replaced my misuse of <em>homoousian</em>, which typically refers to someone who believes in <em>homoousion</em>, with the more appropriate <em>homoousion</em>.</p>
<p><strong>Update 4:</strong> The discussion has <a href="http://conqueringthirst.com/?p=17" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://conqueringthirst.com/?p=17');" class="liexternal">continued</a> over on James Gordon&#8217;s blog, Conquering Thirst.</p>
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		<title>Trinity Debate—Live</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned the debate between Ware&amp;#8211;Grudem and McCall&amp;#8211;Yandell a while back. The subject of the debate is &amp;#8220;Do relations of authority and submission exist eternally among the Persons of the Godhead?&amp;#8221; I&amp;#8217;m currently watching the debate live right now. You can tune in as well.
I don&amp;#8217;t know if I&amp;#8217;ll liveblog. We&amp;#8217;ll see. But I probably will [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <a href="http://philgons.com/2008/08/ware-grudem-vs-mccall-yandell-on-the-trinity/"  class="liinternal">mentioned</a> the debate between Ware&#8211;Grudem and McCall&#8211;Yandell a while back. The subject of the debate is &#8220;Do relations of authority and submission exist eternally among the Persons of the Godhead?&#8221; I&#8217;m currently watching the debate live right now. You can <a href="http://www.henrycenter.org/trinitydebates.php" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.henrycenter.org/trinitydebates.php');" class="liexternal">tune in</a> as well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ll liveblog. We&#8217;ll see. But I probably will write a post later analyzing the debate.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google&amp;#8217;s new audio indexing, GAudi, looks very promising. Finally the ability to find what you&amp;#8217;re looking for in audio or video without listening to the whole thing! This has huge potential for sermons and lectures and could really make audio and video more accessible sources for academic research.
I wish I had access to this technology [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google&#8217;s new audio indexing, <a href="http://labs.google.com/gaudi" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://labs.google.com/gaudi');" class="liexternal">GAudi</a>, looks very promising. Finally the ability to find what you&#8217;re looking for in audio or video without listening to the whole thing! This has huge potential for sermons and lectures and could really make audio and video more accessible sources for academic research.</p>
<p>I wish I had access to this technology when I was running down <a href="http://philgons.com/2008/05/when-im-stumped-i-go-to-henry-alford/"  class="liinternal">this quote</a>.</p>
<p>Check it out: <a href="http://labs.google.com/gaudi" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://labs.google.com/gaudi');" class="liexternal">http://labs.google.com/gaudi</a>.</p>
<p>Read more:</p>
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<li>TechCrunch: <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/17/google-launches-audio-indexing/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/17/google-launches-audio-indexing/');" class="liexternal">&#8220;Google Launches Audio Indexing&#8221;</a></li>
<li>ReadWriteWeb: <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_audio_indexing_keyword.php" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_audio_indexing_keyword.php');" class="liexternal">&#8220;Google Audio Indexing: Keyword Searches for Political Videos&#8221;</a></li>
<li>Google Blog: <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/google-audio-indexing-now-on-google.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/google-audio-indexing-now-on-google.html');" class="liexternal">&#8220;Google Audio Indexing now on Google Labs&#8221;</a></li>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ligonier Ministries Blog points out that R. C. Sproul was on the White Horse Inn with Michael Horton. The topic of discussion Is the state of evangelicalism.
In this interview you&amp;#8217;ll learn important things about R. C., like what kind of vegetable he would be if he were one.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.ligonier.org/blog/2008/09/rc-sproul-on-the-white-horse-i.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.ligonier.org/blog/2008/09/rc-sproul-on-the-white-horse-i.html');" class="liexternal">Ligonier Ministries Blog</a> points out that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._C._Sproul" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._C._Sproul');" class="liwikipedia">R. C. Sproul</a> was on the <a href="http://whitehorseinn.org/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://whitehorseinn.org/');" class="liexternal">White Horse Inn</a> with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Horton" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Horton');" class="liwikipedia">Michael Horton</a>. The topic of discussion Is the state of evangelicalism.</p>
<p>In this interview you&#8217;ll learn important things about R. C., like what kind of vegetable he would be if he were one.</p>
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		<description>Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service is a wonderful place for picking up Reformed books. They carry a wide variety of titles and offer very competitive prices.
Right now they have their annual Customer Appreciation Sale going on. Save 10% on your order, and get free shipping with a $50+ purchase.
Christian Greetings!
Just a quick reminder that our [...]</description>
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<p>Right now they have their annual <a href="http://cvbbs.com/sale.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://cvbbs.com/sale.html');" class="liexternal">Customer Appreciation Sale</a> going on. Save 10% on your order, and get free shipping with a $50+ purchase.</p>
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<p>Just a quick reminder that our Customer Appreciation Sale starts tomorrow, Wednesday, September 3, 2008, and runs thru Thursday, September 4th. This is your chance to save an extra 10% off our already discounted prices on everything we carry and this time there is an added incentive as well. We are continuing our popular free shipping offer for orders over $50 in addition to the extra discount savings. So be ready tomorrow for discounts on top of discounts and free shipping besides at www.cvbbs.com.</p>
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		<description>In an effort to promote the Cornerstone Biblical Commentary series, Logos is giving away the Matthew, Mark volume by David L. Turner and Darrell L. Bock for free&amp;#8212;no strings attached! Make sure to use coupon code CORNERSTONE.
NOTE: If you don&amp;#8217;t already have a Libronix Customer ID, make sure to download the free Libronix engine and [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/CSTONECM61MT" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/CSTONECM61MT');" target="_blank"><img style="padding-left:10px" src="http://www.logos.com/images/products/4475.jpg" border="0" alt="Matthew, Mark Cornerstone Biblical Commentary" width="91" height="158" align="right" /></a>In an effort to promote the <a href="http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4473" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4473');" class="liexternal">Cornerstone Biblical Commentary series</a>, Logos is giving away the <em><a href="http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/CSTONECM61MT" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/CSTONECM61MT');" target="_blank" class="liexternal">Matthew, Mark</a></em> volume by David L. Turner and Darrell L. Bock for free&#8212;no strings attached! Make sure to use coupon code <strong>CORNERSTONE</strong>.</p>
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		<title>Resources on the Problem of Evil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Gons</dc:creator>
		
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		<description>I&amp;#8217;ve seen several treatments of the problem of evil around the blogosphere recently.

Interview with John Frame on the Problem of Evil
Andy Naselli at Between Two Worlds
The Logical and Emotional Problems of Evil
Andy Naselli at his Theology blog
The Problem of Evil, Suffering, and Pain
C. Michael Patton at Parchment and Pen
The Problem of Evil with John MacArthur
Chris [...]</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen several treatments of the problem of evil around the blogosphere recently.</p>
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<li><a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/08/interview-with-john-frame-on-problem-of.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/08/interview-with-john-frame-on-problem-of.html');" class="liexternal">Interview with John Frame on the Problem of Evil</a><br />
Andy Naselli at Between Two Worlds</li>
<li><a href="http://andynaselli.com/theology/the-logical-and-emotional-problems-of-evil" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://andynaselli.com/theology/the-logical-and-emotional-problems-of-evil');" title="Permanent Link to The Logical and Emotional Problems of Evil" rel="bookmark" class="liexternal">The Logical and Emotional Problems of Evil</a><br />
Andy Naselli at his Theology blog</li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/the-problem-of-evil-suffering-and-pain/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/the-problem-of-evil-suffering-and-pain/');" class="liexternal">The Problem of Evil, Suffering, and Pain</a><br />
C. Michael Patton at Parchment and Pen</li>
<li><a href="http://www.ligonier.org/blog/2008/08/the-problem-of-evil-with-john-macarthur.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/article/http://www.ligonier.org/blog/2008/08/the-problem-of-evil-with-john-macarthur.html');" class="liexternal">The Problem of Evil with John MacArthur</a><br />
Chris Larson at the Ligonier Ministries Blog</li>
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<p>They all look worth a read or listen.</p>
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